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Dec 26, 2009

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I suspect we're going to find that this clown wasn't "with" Al Qaeda in any more than an fantasy sense. What's the govspeak phrase - "aspirational"?

Sure, getting an incendiary on the plane is no laughing matter, and there was a breakdown in the security somewhere. But the last thing we need is more freakouts over this, more theater, more pork to defend against the last attack.

In general, they're all clowns -- until they succeed. The plot that hit the USS Cole started with a boat so loaded with explosives that it sank before it reached an American warship. While the clowns in charge of that operation went to get help, someone stole the outboard motor from their suicide vessel. What a bunch of bozos, we would all say if it had stopped there. A few months later, those bozos succeeded. The real threat from modern terrorism is that even clowns can kill dozens of people.

When was the last terrorist attack inside the U.S. that got this far?

FYI, everyone is screened at Schipol airport before getting on a plane. There are metal detectors and xray machines at every gate. When you go to board a plane, you go through the security checkpoint at the gate and you wait in a small walled off area at the gate itself.

PORKOV asked "When was the last terrorist attack inside the U.S. that got this far?"

How about November 5th of this year (a few weeks ago) when Fort Hood, Texas was shot up?

Re question 9. Apparently Stewart Baker has not been through the security screening at Amsterdam. It is the most extensive in the world except for Israeli airport security. First, they have armed army personnel throughout the airport. Secondly they have the normal x-ray and metal screening stations. Then when you go to the gate, you have to be there 2 hours early to go through an additional level of screening that not only includes an additional x-ray and metal screening, they do individual interviews with each passenger obviously looking for tells that they have been trained to spot. The two hour requirement is to allow them time to remove luggage if they find someone they do not want to let on the plane.

Umar Farouk Abdulmuttalab got through security with an incendiary device attached to his leg. He was reportedly on a "watch list".

On our last flight, my 81-year old wife (not on a "watch list") had to take off her shoes, remove all keys and coins from her purse, and was subjected to a wand search. A tube of toothpaste was confiscated. We were told it was "routine".

"Sure, getting an incendiary on the plane is no laughing matter, and there was a breakdown in the security somewhere. But the last thing we need is more freakouts over this, more theater, more pork to defend against the last attack."

You are right. What we really need is to de-politicize our defense iniatives and turn them into a serious force for our protection. When the current arrangement was created under the Bush administration, the price charged by the democrats in congress to obtain their co-operation was the assurance that their unions would be in charge of operations. Last night's performance was the payoff.

Bravo Willis!

"How long will it take Secretary Napolitano (at least) or President Obama (my preference) to visit this guy in the hospital if these facts turn out to be true?"

You got it all wrong. The correct statement should be: "How long will it take C.A.I.R. or some other Islamic group to sue the guy for a vioaltion of Umar's civil rights?"

A better question to ask is when will the US Govt bring criminal charges against the passenger who got out of his seat to interfere with the passenger just doing his political/religious thing (just trying to blow up an airliner)?

Will this become a hate crime?

No good deed goes unpunished.

"A few months later, those bozos succeeded. The real threat from modern terrorism is that even clowns can kill dozens of people."

Well said.

On a different point, who's to say that the passenger who crawled over several others to deal with the situation wasn't an air marshal. They don't fly in uniform, from what I know. Perhaps there's more to that angle of the story, as well.

It's not the devil makes these flying machines go, but despoiled strippers, so we seek unspoiled strippers by blowing planes up. We kill people to get virgin sex in heaven. Really. That's really what drives us. Virginity. It sounds odd to YOU, but we take it very seriously, at the Islamic Nut Company.

So, in what clever way will Obama makes this attack the fault of (what's his name again?) ah.. George W. Bush?

Let's get this straight...It is said this guy was travelling to US to attend a regigious event. Perhaps a Billy Graham retrospective rally at Madison Square Garden? No....Just another phoney Muslim holiday plucked from the Islamic calendar that is literally peppered with a plethora of phony holidays dreamed up by a phoney religion that is really a cult not a true religion. Meanwhile, little old American ladies have to endure humiliating searches of their medications and prosthetic devices. This creature apparently walked on the plane wired up like a Roman candle! Thanks Janet Napolitano for keeping us safe during Christmas....an actual religious holiday with real significance. Go back to your previous day job with the rest of this administration of criminals!

NikFromNYC - what's really going to piss them off is when they realize it's "Virginians" not Virgins...

As for Schipol, I don't think those boys fall down on anything where security is concerned - there is more to this story than we see now.

At which London mosque did he worship?

It's time for America, Britain and Europe to start departing all radical Muslim clerics.

The guy who climbed over several passengers should be charged with assault on his fellow passengers, interfering with the operation of an aircraft and a violation of the rights of the 'supposed' terrorist. It is common sense that if you are attacked that you give the attacker whatever they want because anything else could result in violence. Also, how quick were the various right wing blogs to label this guy a terrorist. For all we know he was making a political statement - so because the guy has a Muslim sounding name, he is a terrorist? Shame!
Also, why are people going all vigilante? Why didn't they leave this to the proper authorities to deal with? Everyone knows that if you don't call the police or appropriate government authorities, it can only go horribly, tragically wrong.

In case your sarcasmometers are set too low...

Some real advice for the collectivists, Obamists, touchy feely liberals from the greatest poet ever, Rudyard Kipling

We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"

"The real threat from modern terrorism is that even clowns can kill dozens of people."

That's always been the threat. If you want to study clowns, there's no end of candidates among the leaders of the Third Reich and the Empire of Japan. Not to mention Stalin's regime.

The current lot differ only in that they don't have an industrial base.

To paraphrase a saying I've seen elsewhere... "We have all the watches, but they have all the time." The price of appeasing fundamentalist Islam is eternal vigilance. What a world indeed.

The problem started with SecTrans under Bush that wanted the screening to focus what got on airplanes and not who. This is the mistake. We need to reverse this and have a forced opt-in. If you want to fly we need to know who you are and where you have been and who you associate with.

A better quesiton would be:

When will the US government realize that Hillary Clinton's State Department has been infiltrated by al Queda?

This man got a VISA because al Queda is on the inside.

So, this guy wasn't on the No-Fly List but he was on a terrorist watch list?

So, let me get this straight: You can be on a terrorist watch list and yet the US State Department will still give you a visa to travel to the United States to commit mayhem?

Is that what we're to make of this?

Fire these fucking bumbling idiots.

So.. do I have to take my pants off to go through security now?

The price of eternal vigilance is that we must get it right every time while they only need to get it right once.

Question: If this person went through the awesome security in Amsterdam how did the X-rays miss the materials taped to his inner thigh? The answer should be obvious.

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